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Re: [ARSCLIST] New LoC Recording Registry

Gary, you are touching on an interesting point here. I would suggest one of the big failures of any of the surround formats is that they didn't focus on cars! What a natural place for surround sound, there are already speakers all around the space and a person is _CONFINED_ to a theoretical sweet spot (ie the driver's seat). I think the home is an unnatural fit for surround formats, except in the context of home theater setups, in most cases. Just putting two speakers in a home was a battle against the WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor), but the rise of bookshelf speakers really helped win that one. Very few homes have a space where surround speakers make sense or are acceptable to all members of the household. A dedicated video room is something different, but even there, rarely is there room for 5 like-sized full-range speakers needed for good reproduction of 5.1 SACD or DVD-Audio.

I wonder if the expensively made and no-profit surround masters from ill-fated SACD or DVD-A releases can be repurposed for cars. Many luxury cars now come with hard drives and multi-format sound systems and even a WIFI link to the home network in some cases, why not use something like a Dolby Digital format from the hard drive?

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Powell" <theothergarypowell@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] New LoC Recording Registry

I don't think it's as much that the demonstration records for 5.1 weren't good (Though I heard few that were truly convincing.) as much as stereo is like MP3. There are better options out there, but at the end of the day I think there is a certain degree of economics for the amount of time, work, and money they are willing to put into their sound systems.

People have stereo in their cars, MP3 players, CD players, etc. just the same as MP3 is a standard that caught on in the popular language and is used by a sizable amount of gadgets. Just as with people being disinterested in re-ripping their CDs into FLAC and getting different software to make it happen because it sounds better, people aren't necessarily willing to shell out the extra hundreds of dollars for a 5.1 receiver, more speakers, more wire, and more work to set it up when they already can listen to the music they like the way they probably heard it originally and liked it, through their car's FM radio, on MTV, at a concert, or on a friend's stereo.

While I think demonstration records may have some minor part in the matter, I think it's just a matter of priority. When people are building a new entertainment system, 5.1 may be an option, but most people tend to hold on to what they have, think the demo units are too expensive, or would rather shell out the extra cash toward a couple extra inches of television screen space.

Though I wasn't alive for Quadraphonic sound, I would venture to say a similar law of economics comes into play, especially since it was a newer technology and, thus, more expensive.


Bob Olhsson wrote:
-----Original Message-----
From Tom Fine: The Command records, specifically "Persuasive Percussion," "Provocative
Percussion," "Big Band Bossa
Nova," and "Stereo/35mm" all charted, in fact Persuasive was at the top
of the Billboard stereo
album charts for weeks and weeks.

Those along with the Audio Fidelity Dukes of Dixieland recordings and some of RCA's Boston Pops titles were the very first stereo records many of my friends and I ever heard. They stand up remarkably well even today. I have serious doubts that anybody would have bought stereo phonographs without hearing those "demonstration records" in the stores. I also think that Quad and 5.1 music are the colossal commercial failures that they have been entirely because of the lack of convincing demonstration recordings being available at the time most people got their first exposure to the new formats.

Bob Olhsson Audio Mastery, Nashville TN
Mastering, Audio for Picture, Mix Evaluation and Quality Control
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