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Re: [ARSCLIST] J Folksay records label vs. Stinson records
Getting back to Thomas's original question, as I recall the Langston Hughes notes appear in the Asch 78 set as well. I have both versions but neither is on the shelf where it orta
be.
"American Folksay Ballads and Dances Vol. 6" (front cover; just "Folksay Volume VI" on back) is on ten-inch Stinson SLP 13, and the Stinson logo at the top says "New York 3 Los
Angeles 6" (and the label says "Midtown Record Corp. NY NY").
dl
Thomas Stern wrote:
> I believe It is incorrect to describe Stinson as Moses Asch's label.
> The Stinson Trading Company which distributed Asch & Disc, was a
> creditor of Asch, and received some of the Asch/Disc masters in the
> bankruptcy settlement. Those masters were NOT available to Folkways
> (Moe Asch's new label after the Disc collapse) nor Smithsonian Folkways,
> which acquired the Folkways assets from Moe Asch's estate (after another
> affiliation - some company
> in New Jersey, might have been Scholastic?? which was unable to
> properly care for the label).
> Disc went bankrupt in 1947, before the advent of the Lp. Stinson
> released Asch and Disc 78's masters using the Stinson label with the old
> catalog numbers (still on 78).
> In the early 50's, Lp's displaced 78rpm recordings, Stinson
> transferred the old albums to 10" lp's. Very early 10" pressings
> have no back liner notes, but do have the booklet notes which had been
> supplied with the 78rpm albums. These early
> albums used the Stinson 78rpm label design. Later pressings had a label
> stating manufactured by the mid-town record corp.
> Later (can someone provide a date?????) the 10" lp's were expanded
> with additional cuts and issued on 12" lp's (these 12" Stinson LP's
> issued from the New York based company had textured green jackets with
> the slick for the 10" (which was also the album cover for the old 78
> albums) glued on the front, and no liner notes, though sometimes the
> notes for the 10" lp's were inserted).
> I've never seen a proper album for these 12" releases. Does anyone
> know of one?
> Sometime, perhaps in the early 60's, Stinson moved to California (Can
> someone provide a date??) and reissued some of the 12" albums in a
> gatefold 'collector's series' generic pale green jacket. The jacket
> inside contained song texts, the back a catalog of available titles, a
> small white paper label pasted on the front wrapping around the spine
> and extending slightly onto the back of the jacket. The pressings were
> translucent red vinyl.
> Sometime later, the California company issued the records on black
> vinyl, with standard jackets with laminated cover slicks and
> liner notes on the back. (can someone provide the date??)
> In the 50's, the Stinson company also started recording new material
> which was issued on 10" lp's, many edited by Kenneth S. Goldstein (such
> as the Harry and Jeanie West albums). Some of these were expanded to
> 12" with added tracks. Sometimes two
> 10" albums were released on one 12" album-these used the SLPX prefix
> with the catalog number.
> The 10" albums I've seen bearing the FOLKSAY imprint, have the same
> front covers and catalog numbers as their STINSON
> equivalents, except the prefix is FLP, not SLP. Remaining price
> stickers seem to indicate same price as Stinson. I have only seen low
> numbered releases (into the teens), none of the higher numbers. The
> Stinson catalog went at least into the 90's, much of it new
> recordings). If anyone can provide factual information about the
> Folksay issues and their relation to Stinson it would be appreciated.
> I'd also like information about the principals of the company. In New
> York, the name Bob Harris is frequently referred to as being the person
> for whom the recordings were produced. When the company re-emerged in
> California, the owner was Jack Kall.
> Best wishes, Thomas.
>
> Roger and Allison Kulp wrote:
>
> >>From what I recall Folksay,was a reissue label,for Asch,and Disc.A budget label perhaps ?You know all of these were Moe Asch's labels,and he just kept reissuing the same stuff.
> > Roger Kulp
> >
> >Thomas Stern <sternth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Below I've transcribed the liner notes from the 10" LP JOSH WHITE
> >Folksay Records FLP-15.
> >"Josh White sings Easy" by Langston Hughes.
> >More fuel for the folksinger/folksong controversy, from the literary
> >viewpoint......
> >
> >Some questions:
> >1.Is Langston Hughes' liner note also on the STINSON issue of this Josh
> >White album?
> >If Not, what is on the Stinson lp?
> >2.Elijah Wald notes the following JW-LH connection, what others?
> >
> >
> >
> >>Josh also acted in a BBC radio play about black soldiers, The Man Who
> >>Went to War, written by Langston Hughes, and one of his most popular
> >>songs of this period was a war-and-integration number from Hughes'
> >>pen, "Freedom Road." This was not a strict blues, but both Hughes and
> >>Josh worked to make it fit his style:
> >>
> >>
> >
> >3.Can someone provide information about the FOLKSAY record label
> >(appear to be
> >same as Stinson 10" lp's. So far I've only seen LOW catalog numbers).
> >4.Are the Folksay and Stinson issues RIVAL issues of this material
> >(anyone remember
> >the situation during the 60's blues rediscoveries era when the Piedmont
> >albums were issued on
> >different labels by the feuding principals in that enterprise), OR
> >simply a label change
> >at some point in time? Why?
> >5.Can someone provide accurate dates when Stinson started releasing
> >their albums on 12"lp's,
> >and when they moved from New York City to California?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Best wishes, Thomas.
> >
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