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Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops question)
Tom,
I mean half track, I guess. Like an LP you have to turn the tape over
to get the second side. I also have some tapes that only play one side and
then of course the later stereo ones. I was surprised how many commercial
reels I still have when I went back to check them. Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fine" <tflists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:33 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops question)
Hi Jack:
Just to clarify the history here, when you say "2-track (non-stereo)" do
you mean half-track (2-sided mono) or do you mean one-direction mono? And,
if you mean one-direction mono, are you sure they are not full-track? It
should clarify this on the tape boxes, although the nomenclature used
early on varied between companies.
I forgot to mention one thing in my post before -- some of these old tapes
can be real gems and the best available source. Here's a for-instance.
Apparently, the master tapes for most or all of the Everest Woody Herman
albums are lost. The CD reissues are all obviously (and poorly) made from
LPs (clearly audible groove distortion, sloppy and overbearing tick and
pop removal, digital artifacts galore from over-agressive
noise-reduction). I was able to borrow the quarter-track, not even the
2-track but the early quarter-track duped reels and it was like night and
day. Especially in the case of the Woody Herman and Tito Puente session,
the reels were dynamic and rarely distorted while the CD reissue made from
LPs was awful. There was an earlier European or Asian CD of this same
material that sounds like it was made from a cleaner LP and is not
aggressively digi-tooled to where there are annoying artifacts but it's
still not as good as the reel. From what I've been able to gather, most of
the Everest pop and jazz master tapes are either lost or badly damaged, so
one hopes there are a few more of these quarter-track, or better 2-track,
reels floating around. Especially in the case of the earlier dupers
(half-tracks, 2-tracks and very early quarter-tracks), the quality is
usually very good aside from hissy tape. By the early 60's, duping speeds
were faster and quality is not as good. By the time you got to the release
product being 3.75IPS and duping speeds were up to 16x, the quality was
awful. Aside from saving tape, duping to 3.75IPS allowed standard duping
speeds in factories that by then were mainly doing 8-tracks, although a
place with a decent on-going quarter-track business would have a separate
duping line for that.
There are several good articles covering the evolution of tape duping in
the archives of the AES Journal. Anyone interested can search and buy
articles at the AES website. Ampex published articles about the first 3200
system in the mid-50's, their higher-speed system for multiple formats in
teh early 60's and their solid-state bin-loop system in the late 60's. I
believe at least one of the makers of cassette duping equipment published
at least one article, too.
Tape duping must have been at least marginally profitable because people
stayed in it all through reels, 8-tracks and cassettes. There was one
brief moment, at the end of the LP era as CD's were just catching on,
maybe 2 years in the early 80's, when cassettes outsold LPs. This was
after the Walkman caught on big-time and before CD's were mainstream (when
players still cost a grand and didn't sound so great). CD's then caught on
and the cassette began submerging. I'm not sure there are any large-scale
cassette duping for commercial music operations left. There are some
operations taylored to smaller jobs who will do, for instance, 100 copies
of a set of medical conference recordings or 1000 cassette box sets for
Radio Spirits. I believe cassette duping for music is still a viable
business in Asia but I might be wrong about that.
-- Tom Fine
-- Tom Fine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Palmer" <vdalhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops
question)
I checked about a hundred of my tapes and I am not sure any of the 2
track (non stereo) were from 1952. I have several 2 track non-stereo
tapes, 7 1/2 speed that were issued by Ampex for London. No date on the
box or tape reel, so I can't be certain of the date. None of the early 2
tracks I bought were stereo though. I thought the high-fidelity was
great and worth the money. Thanks for making me look. I found three
Gilbert and Sullivan operettas on reels that I didn't even remember
owning. Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fine" <tflists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops
question)
I'd be interested to know what's on them and who released them. I do not
believe you'll find that they are in fact 2T stereo. They are likely
half-track (2-sided) mono. If they are stereo, it would be very
interesting to know who put them out as in 1952 only a few people were
experimenting with 2-channel stereo recording of music. No major labels
yet, although I believe RCA started making 2T masters in 1954 or even
1953 -- I think Zarathustra with Reiner was the first 2T session.
-- Tom Fine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Palmer" <vdalhart@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops
question)
I bought my first 2 track tapes for my reel recorder/player in the
Base Exchange in Sidi-Slimane, Morocco in 1952. I still have a couple
of them in fact. Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Fine" <tflists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] commerical reels history (was Boston Pops
question)
Ampex developed their own, was developed by Leon Wortman in NY and
detailed in a 1951 Radio & TV News article. Wortman's line made
full-track or half-track tapes. Commercial half-track tapes were
available as early as 1951 or 1952, but there was only a very small
consumer market for reel to reel machines at that point. > Because
this was a new format sold at a premium price, a lot of QC attention
was paid by the reputable companies in this era, so the net quality is
very high. Akin to what happened when stereo LPs came along.
.