[ARSCLIST] Fwd: [ARSCLIST] Dating LPs ?:Silvertone Records/Milstein

[Don Tait <Dontaitchicago@xxxxxxx>]

  I am way behind checking messages and hope it's not too late to respond to 
Roger Kulp's neat message, which I hope I've successfully forwarded.

  I spent several years between 1989 and 1994 trying to compile a CSO 
discography. It finally had to be abandoned when nearly-then complete. But based upon 
what I learned I don't believe the "Chicago Philharmonic" was the CSO under a 
pseudonym. It could have been a pick-up or independent local group or perhaps 
an orchestra maintained by radio station WGN, which did a lot of classical 
music and even operatic broadcasting in the forties. The former soprano Marion 
Clare was a WGN executive.

  There might be some people still living in Chicago who might know about 
this. You've reminded me that I must ask them. 

  Finally, I'd love too to know about the Enesco Silvertone records in 
particular. I'd guess pretty confidently that they mustn't have been been made in 
Chicago in 1946 or whenever because I've never read about him bring here at that 
time. But I could be wrong. And regarding Leinsdorf, is there any information 
about the Pilotone 78s conducted by him (Haydn Symphony 45 -- I don't have 
the numbers) and Grieg's Holberg Suite conducted by Rudolph Ganz (album set 
301)? Both with the "Metropolitan Symphony Orchestra" and both 10".

  I didn't know there were Milstein recordings on Silvertone.

  Thanks for an interesting thread. If I learn anything about the "Chicago 
Philharmonic" I'll let you all know.

  Don Tait

  

There is a complete (?) discography of the Silvertone record club on the web:

http://settlet.fateback.com/SRC.htm ,but it gives very little info,other than a listing.It doesn't even list the artists.
I would like further information about just how these records came about myself.For starters,what is the year on these records ? I have heard they are from around 1946.Is this correct ?Milstein had already recorded for Columbia,so these were of dubious legality.I am assuming the "Chicago Philharmonic" is the CSO,in a similar situation to that of "The Stadium Symphony Orchestra"at Everest,perhaps our friend Don Tait can enlighten us further ?The Leinsdorfs are not listed in most Leinsdorf discographies,either. 

Some of the Leinsdorf,and Enesco sides,were compiled onto a budget Lp,issued by the Hollywood label,in1956,which I have.

I haven't thought about this label much,as I have not seen them that frequently.I believe I own two,a Leinsdorf,and a Milstein.

                             Roger Kulp


 In trying to learn more about these records,I found this Nathan Milstein discograpy :
http://my.dreamwiz.com/fischer/Milstein/discography-milstein.htm

 
>T
"Russell W. Miller" <rwm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: As we have some Mercury expertise here, who knows the real story of
Silvertone Record Club, and what involvement Mercury or its principals might
have had?  Is there any documentation of session dates/locations,
particularly the Enescu and Leinsdorf records?  I have a Sears catalog from
1946 (Summer, as I recall) that doesn't list any records, but surely they
must have come along soon after.

Russell

Steven Smolian wrote:

> As time and generations pass, a resource identifying first label of issue
> and relese dates will be come increasingly necessary.   There is
> a forty to
> fifty year accumulation of LPs.  Since swe are all part of the generation
> for whom they are a daily experience, we assume everyone knows and those
> that follow will always know the lore relating to them.  But 50
> years from
> know, who will remember if the Mercury, Golden Import or World Series
> release came first, perhaps had tube processing sound and was pressed on
> quite material?  I'm already running into this with the small mono
> companies.  And where did all tjose Mercury monos in the brown or green
> covers come from?  Some came from U.S. Silvertones (the Enesco conducting
> sides).  Are the performer names real on them? (not always.)
>
> Now is the time to sum up.
>
> Kurtz Myers "Index to Record Reviews" include his untanglings.
> The "Record
> Ratings" short version cover util c. 1956 (though it says later).  The
> latter is around for c. $ 25, the former, 4 volumes at $ 500, the
> supplements $ 100-200 per volume.  Or less, if you're lucky.  It covers
> mostly classical releases.


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