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Re: [ARSCLIST] CD Longevity (was Vinegar syndrome audio tapes [ARSCLIST] Memor



Jerome Hartke wrote:

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Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] CD Longevity (was Vinegar syndrome audio tapes
[ARSCLIST] Memor

Bob Conrad wrote:


...j
ust found the listing on amazin' amazon. MAM-A is another name for

Mitsui Advanced Media, and they market a 74-minute Gold Archive cd-r. It

seems to retail for about $1.50 per disc, which is at least twice the

amount that every other disc manufacturer gets. Also, it seems that

there's no 80 minute version.


Actually, there *is* an 80-minute gold version and it works just fine. I
have been using Mitsui Golds on the National Symphony Orchestra's archive
and broadcast CDs for years with few problems. Since Mistui became MAM-A,
the discs I have been getting are no longer manufactured in Japan and the
quality control has been slipping. Occasionally, one of the batch fresh
out of the celophane will be horribly dirty with grimy fingerprints all
over it. So far, it has always been just *one* of the discs in a box of
25 and it only happens occasionally, but it is weird. The recorded MAM-A
Golds do not always play reliably in cheap CD players, but they seem to be
holding up well overall and data rip perfectly from them after several
years. I hope that result continues!


I've been using HHB because of it's supposed superiority in 1x

recording, which is the only speed I use. Also, I've used Memorex Black



from time to time.

When I check the error rates using Plextor's software, I find that they are actually higher at 1X. The current crop of discs appears to perform best in my drives at 4X. 8X is comparable. I have found the worst results at 1X and above 16X. My suspicion is that at the lower speeds the dye bleeds and causes more errors. I haven't had the chance to check this out with an electron microscope, yet. ;-)

YMMV,

Chas.

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Charles Lawson <clawson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Professional Audio for CD, DVD, Broadcast & Internet



Dye does not "bleed". The issues you describe are related to vibration in the recording drive, not to the media. Excessive vibration can occur at high speeds, while vibrations can be amplified when their frequencies approach internal mechanical resonant frequencies of the drive at low speeds.

Jerry
Media Sciences, Inc.




I remember a number of years that some company had come out with plastic "rings" to attach to the outside of a cd disc, with the intention of this being able to stop/reduce cd vibration when the disc was being played.

I have no idea if this product actually worked, or if it is even still available today. But if so, would it in any way help cd-r's with the vibration problem you've described?

Bob Conrad
Fort Lee, NJ


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