Re: [ARSCLIST] Cedar, was: Aren't recordings original sources?

[Clark Johnsen <clarkjohnsen@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Tom Fine <tflists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:

> Well, I'm certainly not vain enough to speak for anyone else on this list,
> but ...
>
> Then we apparently don't have on this list the majority of reissue
> producers and remastering engineers out there. Their lousy work speaks for
> itself.


And there you have it!

But one must wonder whether joining this list would serve the cause.

Perhaps an outreach effort should be made?

clark

>
>
> -- Tom Fine
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Parker Dinkins" <
> parker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 6:20 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Cedar, was: Aren't recordings original sources?
>
>
> I think most people here are aware of all that.
>>
>> --
>> Parker Dinkins
>> CD Mastering + Audio Restoration
>> http://masterdigital.com
>>
>>
>> on 10/23/08 3:53 PM US/Central, Tom Fine wrote:
>>
>> Not when it's overused and sucks what little life is left out of the
>>> sound.
>>> With all digital NR, it's a very fine line between slightly improving
>>> clarity
>>> and sucking the air, space and depth out of the sound. My own bias is
>>> always
>>> toward less but I've made and heard others' examples of judicious use of
>>> digi-tools where audibility and clarity are improved. Rare with
>>> well-recorded
>>> full-range music; the trained ear seems to prefer some hiss or surface
>>> noise
>>> with the entire pallet of music as opposed to a quieter background with
>>> some
>>> colors muted.
>>>
>>> -- Tom Fine
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Parker Dinkins" <parker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 3:52 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Cedar, was: Aren't recordings original sources?
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Fine wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also, many 78 transfers made for CD sets are awful. People do seem to
>>>>> lop
>>>>> off the bass -- these records had plenty of low end, it was the TOP end
>>>>> where they had no musical content. Yet people roll off the bass (maybe
>>>>> because they have rumble-plagued playback systems) and crank up the EQ
>>>>> on
>>>>> the upper midrange, which just accentuates the surface noise and
>>>>> unnatural
>>>>> resonances from the original recording devices. Then you apply an
>>>>> overly
>>>>> aggressive treatment with CEDAR or whatever else and you get ... crap.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seems like CEDAR would be just what is required after all that torture.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Parker Dinkins
>>>> CD Mastering + Audio Restoration
>>>> http://masterdigital.com
>>>>
>>>
>>