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Re: [ARSCLIST] 16" transcription player on ebay
Late (mid-1950s-1959 when they switched to 12") AFRTS 16" pressings were
microgroove. Lots at LC.
Sam
On 9/5/07, Steven Smolian <smolians@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I'be never seen a non-experimental 16" 33 that used a 1 mil groove- always
> a
> 2.5 mil, though I own a couple cut at 1 mil by Mirko Paneko in the later
> 40s.
>
> I visited him in Stamford, I believe it was, a few times. He claimed to
> be
> the inventor of the LP and that Goldmark instigated the paperwork. Mirko
> died before I could persue this in any depth.
>
> His name is now widely forgotten, but in his day he was well known for
> making audio systems for the rich, musical and famous, Toscanini being
> among
> that number.
>
> Steve Smolian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Fine" <tflists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] 16" transcription player on ebay
>
>
> > Hi Doug:
> >
> > This was a common way of distributing serialized radio programs at one
> > time. The Bill Cosby Radio Program, for one, was put together and
> > duplicated at my father's studio and radio stations could be on the list
> > for either a weekly reel of tape or a weekly 16" LP record.
> >
> > DO NOT PLAY THIS RECORD ON AN OLD "TRANSCRIPTION PHONOGRAPH" from the
> > Pre-LP Era! The stylus will be too wide and track too heavy and thus
> ruin
> > it on just one pass! Please read the previous sentence again and do not
> > proceed unless you clearly understand what I'm saying. An LP
> (microgroove)
> > record will be ruined by a wide-groove stylus tracking at some heavy
> > weight like has been mentioned by others on this list. However, if this
> > record is indeed a pre-LP record, it's fine on the older equipment. I
> > can't tell for sure from your photos but you specifically say "LP"
> several
> > times in your text, so I'm assuming you're talking about microgroove
> > records.
> >
> > If you do indeed have an LP, the reason a 16" would be distributed to
> > radio stations is that they would have turntables capable of that size
> and
> > more time can be fit on a 16" side at 33 1/3 RPM. So, for instance, with
> > the Bill Cosby program, you could fit 5 weekly shows of about 6 minutes
> > each, cut super-loud for AM radio. Thus, two weeks of shows could be
> > pressed on one 16" record.
> >
> > I hope this helps. If you don't have a microgroove record, you don't
> need
> > to heed my warning above, but I'd still play something potentially rare
> > like this on a good rig and ... CLEAN IT GENTLY WITH A NON-ALCOHOL
> > SOLUTION before playing it.
> >
> > You might consider contacting an expert on grooved disk transfers like
> Art
> > Shifrin (www.shifrin.net).
> >
> > -- Tom Fine
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Doug Henkle" <henkle@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] 16" transcription player on ebay
> >
> >
> >> At 12:21 PM 09-04-2007 -0500, you wrote:
> >>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190149285261&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1
> >>
> >> I have only one 16" LP which, until the above, I thought was
> >> unplayable by anything still in existence. I found it at a Wisconsin
> >> record show several years ago. Could anybody point me at a resource,
> >> on-line or a book, that gives historical details about transcription
> >> discs that might answer my questions?
> >>
> >> What was their purpose, radio play only, or something else?
> >> Why were they made in 16" instead of 12" or 10"?
> >> What years were they made?
> >> What format were transcriptions made in before and after the 16" LP
> >> format?
> >>
> >> I have scanned the labels of my red vinyl LP
> >> http://www.folklib.net/graphics/ls/uw_band_16in_lp_prog59.jpg
> >> http://www.folklib.net/graphics/ls/uw_band_16in_lp_prog60.jpg
> >> The University of Wisconsin Band Program
> >> Program No. 59 / 60
> >> 33-1/3 RPM Outside Start
> >> Release only during the period from
> >> April 10 through April 16 / April 17 through April 23
> >> This program is identified as a transcription
> >> both in the opening and close, and no further
> >> identification is necessary
> >>
> >> The dead wax markings have,
> >> UW BAND 59 (block letters all caps)
> >> U. of W. Band #60 (handwritten script)
> >>
> >> I gather there must be at least 58 other sides just like this, and
> >> maybe more? There is no year mentioned. The paper sleeve has,
> >> American Cancer Society / 1948 Drive (back side is blank)
> >> http://www.folklib.net/graphics/ls/uw_band_16in_sleeve_a.jpg
> >> http://www.folklib.net/graphics/ls/uw_band_16in_sleeve_b.jpg
> >> http://www.folklib.net/graphics/ls/uw_band_16in_sleeve_c.jpg
> >> http://www.folklib.net/graphics/ls/uw_band_16in_sleeve_d.jpg
> >>
> >> According to the TimeLine of Sound and Broadcast Technology,
> >> http://www.classicthemes.com/technologyTimeline.html
> >> the first LP was made by Columbia in 1948 and presumably no one else
> >> until 1949 or after. Anyone have any idea what year this LP might have
> >> been created? Thanks.
> >> ____________________________________________________________
> >> Doug Henkle - mailto:henkle@xxxxxxxxx
> >> P.O. Box 1447, Oshkosh, WI 54903-1447
> >>
> >> http://www.folklib.net/index/wi/
> >> FolkLib Index - Wisconsin Music Site Map
> >> (everything related to Wisconsin Music and Musicians)
> >>
>