Re: [ARSCLIST] Recording rates for musicians.

[Steven Barr <stevenc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Smolian" <smolians@xxxxxxxxx>
> Nonsense!
> 
What is?!
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "phillip holmes" <insuranceman@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Recording rates for musicians.
> 
> 
> > That brings to mind a truly great song that surely will go down the in the 
> > annals of songdom with the likes of any Schubert Lieder:  "A Country Boy 
> > Can Survive".  And there's the "we'll put a boot in their ***, it's the 
> > American way" song.  But seriously, I don't disagree with you. I'd place 
> > great jazz and blue grass musicians on a pedestal with great classically 
> > trained musicians. Many "popular" and "folk" musicians don't have "chops". 
> > They are creative.  Yes, you are correct that there is an elitism to 
> > "classical" music and musicians, but they work a hell of a lot harder than 
> > most popular musicians.  I think that's why the boys (and girls) don't get 
> > stoned before playing Le Sacre or Zarathustra.
> > Phillip
> >
> > Steven Barr wrote:
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "phillip holmes" <insuranceman@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>> Agreed, and most musicians (speaking of classically trained 
> >>> instrumentalists and vocalists) have already made adjustments.  Most are 
> >>> teachers first, professional musicians second.  This is the way it was 
> >>> for most of recorded history anyway.  Bach didn't make a living playing 
> >>> organ and harpsichord, and he didn't get paid union scale.  Musicians 
> >>> had a pretty cushy deal going while there were wealthy benefactors who 
> >>> cared, but the world's tastes have changed for the worse (IMO--not a 
> >>> humble opinion either).  Also, I don't think that recording contracts 
> >>> kept these orchestras going.  Most didn't have contracts.  It was local 
> >>> community involvement, the chamber of commerce types, wealthy people 
> >>> with time on their hand, etc.....
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Interestingly, this approach seems to depend on one important social
> >> opinion...that, somehow, "classical" music is innately superior (at
> >> least in the sense of the "elite" preferring it) to other forms of
> >> music. This means that a community, in order to be a "respectable"
> >> community (in the sense of upper-class = respectability) must have
> >> classical musicians, classical performances, and if at all possible
> >> a classical ("symphony") orchestra!
> >>
> >> One result was that, at least in the late-nineteenth/early-
> >> twentieth centuries, classical artists were spared the sort
> >> of social-class demotion that applied to most other musicians
> >> and stage performers (and that still seems to be true, though
> >> less noticeable, in this day and age!).
> >>
> >> It is also interesting to note an opposite development! In this
> >> day and age, particularly in the USA, country & western music has
> >> been adopted as what might be called "the official 'working class'
> >> musical genre!"
> >>
> >> Steven C. Barr
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