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Re: [ARSCLIST] The Emperor's New Sampling Rate By Paul D. Lehrman Mix Magazine April 2008



I am very curious what ARSC folks think about the findings published in the April issue of Mix magazine regarding higher sample rates. It was basically a summary of the September 2007 AES Journal article "Audibility of a CD-Standard A/D/A Loop Inserted Into High-Resolution Audio Playback." The results go against everything most of us believe is true and I for one am keenly interested to hear what people on here, who are in many cases experts in this area, have to say.

Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

Aaron


Tom Fine wrote:
One man's ears here, but I prefer the SACD audio reproduction on my mid-priced ($550 street price) Marantz universal DVD/CD/SACD player and even my low-priced ($150 street price) Toshiba universal player to ANY Sony SACD of any price I've heard. So no matter the price, it could have just been a bad SACD player.

That said, I've heard 96/24 PCM and SACD audio of the same source and can't tell any difference so my ears might not be as gold-leafed as others'. I can tell the difference between CD of the same source and either hi-rez format, and the hi-rez does seem to have a nicer top end and bit more air and space around things, but not enough that I'd go replace my whole CD collection. Unfortunately the hybrid SACD/CD format never reached critical mass, so the next hope is that at least CD-quality digital downloads will one day be the dollar choice, as opposed to the complete ripoff of iTunes and Amazon lossy-compressed dollar downloads.

Are there any Flac players for us non-geeks, something that works at least as well and is at least as fully featured as the Windows Media Player? Are there Flac add-ins for iTunes or are you stuck with Apple's proprietary but good lossless format in the iPod world?

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- From: "carlstephen koto" <cskoto@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] FLAC



I knew that FLAC was fast becoming the format of choice with younger folks who were looking to store their music in an uncompressed state. But, I had very little experience with it before. I was happily surprised by the sound quality of the better downloads I've now heard, and feel that (at least in it's 24/96 form)the quality is limited more often by the source recording than the math.

Regarding the difference in sound quality of the SACD's and the 24/96 downloads, to me, it sounds akin to generational losses in the analog domain. Why that is, I don't know for sure but my guess is that there are some areas of HiRez disc production that still need some ironing out.
Steve Koto
On Jun 9, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Jim Sam wrote:


I believe Trent Reznor was selling no-DRM FLAC files in the release of Nine Inch Nails' Ghosts release and the Saul Williams record he produced. He also gave away 96/24 files for free on his latest NIN album.

Jim

At 12:33 PM 6/8/2008, you wrote:
I am intrigued to find that at least one website (http:// www.hdtracks.com)
is selling CD-quality music tracks, with FLAC as a format option, and no
DRM. I'm curious whether anyone else is using FLAC commercially. This is
obviously only a case or two, but would this not bode well for the future
of the format?


Matt Snyder
Music Archivist
Wilson Processing Project
The New York Public Library




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