Re: [ARSCLIST] Transporting 10 inch pancakes

[Steven Smolian <smolians@xxxxxxxxx>]

Old Telefunken tape was designed to stay on the hub and no reel was 
necessary.  At some point this changed- I'd guess in the mid 1960s.

This tape was noroius for sheding red oxide.  Anyone who used it won't 
forget its distinctive feel.

Steven Smolian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Lennick" <dlennick@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Transporting 10 inch pancakes


> A CBC producer I worked with in Edmonton had been a tonmeister in Germany, 
> where they work exclusively with pancakes, not reels. He said you weren't a 
> pro until you'd rescued a master that had fallen off the hub.
>
> And another CBC producer in Ottawa was trying to put together three 
> programs based on piano roll recordings that had come from Australia via 
> the EBU and had one roll he had to spend hours rescuing before we could 
> use it (I think we were going to go live to air on that one, too!).
>
> THEN there was the situation at CJRT in Toronto in the mid 60s, where 
> professionals did much of the daytime programming and students recorded 
> some other shows, including an all-night program which was done at slow 
> speed on thin tape and played by an automated system involving two Crowns 
> and a relay that triggered the second machine when the first tape ended. 
> This involved cutting the tape at the desired switchover point and leaving 
> it attached to nothing, since the trigger was a light beam in the first 
> machine. Invariably the tape wouldn't stop and the morning man would come 
> in to find gazillions of bits of tape flung all over the studio. And on 
> one occasion, the professional (it was Ted O'Reilly, doing his Jazz show 
> live) must have rewound the all night tape and had it pack up inside the 
> reel and had to try and rescue the tape without destroying it..because he 
> triumphantly announced on the air that there WOULD be an all night show 
> after all.
>
> dl
>
> Kiwi O'Connell wrote:
> > I agree with Parker, Richard and Tom.  You really don't want your 
> > precious
> > tapes looking like this -
> > http://www.cupsnstrings.com/xSites/Agents/cupsnstrings/Content/UploadedFiles
> > /Ugly%20Tape.jpg
> >
> > The client said "some tape came off the reel"!  It took 86 hours to get 
> > this
> > 1/4 inch analog tape back on to a 10.5 inch reel.  Proper packaging is
> > paramount!
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Marie
> >
> > Marie O'Connell
> > Sound Archivist/Audio Engineer/Sound Consultant
> > 3017 Nebraska Avenue
> > Santa Monica, CA, 90404
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> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
> > [mailto:ARSCLIST@xxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Parker Dinkins
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 3:27 PM
> > To: ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Transporting 10 inch pancakes
> >
> > on 2/6/07 3:59 PM US/Central, Jerry McBride at jerry.mcbride@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have experience with moving a collection of quarter-inch
> > > tapes, as ten-inch pancakes in their original boxes? It seems logical to
> > > assume that it would be safer to ship or move tape on reels. How great
> > > is the danger that the pancake will come unwound under normal shipping
> > > and moving conditions if stored on hubs in the original boxes?
> >
> >
> >
> > AES Standard for audio preservation and restoration- Magnetic tape - Care
> > and handling practices for extended usage (AES49-2005):
> >
> >
> > 4.5.5 Flangeless hubs
> >
> > Sometimes magnetic tape is stored on flangeless hubs. When this practice 
> > is
> > used, the following recommendations shall be observed:
> >
> > a) Only backcoated tape designed for storage on a flangeless hub shall be
> > stored in this manner. Non-backcoated tape will not wind properly and is 
> > at
> > high risk of falling off the tape pack.
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> > In the past week I've received and repaired two broken tape packs which 
> > were
> > stored on flangeless hubs.
> >
> > One of these was backcoated tape which didn't travel via common carrier 
> > at
> > all. The other was non-backcoated and packed tightly with a styrofoam 
> > tape
> > spacer.
>
>
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