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Re: [ARSCLIST] Music--was: CD versus Download was "All hail the analogue revolution..."
On 06/10/06, Steven Barr wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Cox" <doncox@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> On 04/10/06, Steven Barr wrote:
>>> The question then becomes "At what point does a collection
>>> of sounds become "music?!"...
>> When the person collecting and organising the sounds presents them as
>> (Bad music is still music.)
> Actually, I wasn't referring to "bad music" (I can even grant "Doggie
> In the Window" status as "music!"). I was thinking of various
> essentially- abstract pieces of "music" (or so called by their
> creators) that, to my ears, had nothing whatsoever to raise them above
> the definition-level of "noise!"
What makes them music is the intent of the creator (or perpetrator).
Marcel Duchamp established that point firmly back in the 1920s, with his
presentation of a urinal as art.
This is only a problem with "difficult" cases. 99.99% of music is
obviously music and nobody would argue about it. The problem comes when
a person is exploring the limits of what music can be, with music
concrete, aleatoric sounds, bird songs or whatever.
> So...if the sounds are made using musical instruments, albeit
> in ways not intended by their inventors, does that make the
> result "music?"
No. The noises made on a piano by a piano tuner are not music, they are
test sounds. There is no intent.
> Or can any collection of sounds, however made and using whatever
> (if any) devices, be called "music" if the creator(s) thereof
> choose to so identify it? And are we obligated to accept this
Yes we are. But you are not obliged to listen to it, if you think it is
pretentious rubbish, as it may well be.
> I can recall, decades ago, someone commenting thatm "To him,
> the company name, 'Batten, Barton, Martin and Durstine' (or
> whatever it actually was) sounded like someone throwing a
> trunk down a flight of stairs" So...can I repeatedly recite
> the name, possibly accompanying that with the throwing of
> an actual trunk down an actual flight of stairs (this might
> be quite expensive if union labour is necessary?)...and call
> the results "music?"
> Or do I need to have a naked lady
> perform one or both tasks?
Only for the video. Not for the 78 version.
> And do I and/or the unclad damsel
> and/or the trunk hurler (as well as any necessary assistants
> thereof, inclusive) have to be paid AFM scale?
> One wonders...