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Re: [ARSCLIST] Job Posting



Steven,

It was not my intention to dis you or your achievements, which I do respect. Much of my life up through my mid-forties, was spent in pretty much the same boat and I probably have accomplished a good deal less than you in the areas you describe. I just tried to give some perspective on what might be the motives and justifications of a HR dept. writing such a job description. No one pursuing a graduate degree in Library Science would have the time or means to accumulate all the valuable experience you describe in their course of study. A good deal of this experience would be quite valuable to a librarian/archivist, but so would a lot of other things that tend to come up in library school. I would be eager (seriously) to take your discography 101 course, but I stick to my guns on what might be quantifiable and of most value in an institutional setting like the one in the original posting.

Anyhow, I was just musing about what I value in my background and it was never meant to denigrate a kindred spirit.

Regards,

Peter Hirsch

Steven C. Barr wrote:

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hirsch" <punto@xxxxxxxx>


Steven, Siue,

Some personal thoughts stirred up by reading of your dissatisfaction with the academic credentials required in a job posting:

Though I recall the same feeling of frustration at finding my employment horizons limited in a similarly arbitrary-seeming fashion back when I (only) had a couple or three decades of experience as a working musician, sound recording collector and avid researcher of all things musical, I would not say that I regret for one single moment the three years spent getting my MLS at night while working full-time (among other pursuits). Believe me, it did make a difference, for me at least. It is not one of those spam Internet degrees and being able to communicate as a peer with other librarians (and, to a lesser degree, archivists) is an asset that I'm sure would come in handy for this Nashville job.

Following the discussions on this list that edge into the library area, particularly those centered on cataloging, frequently reminds me of people who think they know how to medicate themselves based on experience and anecdote ans then disparage MDs because they are formally trained in what they do. Doctors (and catalogers) do some stupid things, but they do more good than harm and much of this is due to their formal training. I was an adolescent in the 60's and like everyone I knew, I was sure that I knew everything and had little respect for the certified authorities (we were mostly right as it turned out, but I am talking about something other than society in general here). When I look back over the intervening period, I realize that I did know a fair amount of stuff about music and records but I've only had a real grip on how to make it useful to others in the dozen or so years since I took my first LIS courses. Many of the courses have faded from memory already, but the rigor of study for a degree was much different than privately pursuing knowledge and that discipline has stood up well since those days.

There seem to be people that are further along than others when it comes to natural ability in this area and I am sure you are in the further along category, but I don't blame potential employers from drawing this particular line when it might be difficult otherwise to limit the pool of applicants for a job in a meaningful manner. I believe that in the not too distant past one was hired to work at an institution (library, museum, archive) and learned most of the necessary skills on the job. This is not the case anymore for the sort of advertised position the we are discussing, though there still ways to enter at a lower level and work one's way up. I really don't see anything wrong with that.

Hey, I spent a year and a half as the archivist of Henry Cowell's papers and he barely attended grade school. He taught at a few places like Columbia and Peabody and was a heavyweight in a number of circles, so what the Hell do I know?

I send my warmest regards as I recede back into lurking,

Peter Hirsch



Two comments:

First, I have been working with various database programs (as well as
experimenting with programming) to keep track of my personal collection
of 35,000 78rpm records. This gives me a lot of knowledge of what works
(and what doesn't)...but no credentials whatsoever, at least compared
to a graduate degree!

Secondly, there is a lot of knowledge that I have gained over
thirty-odd (some VERY odd!) years of record collecting and
"discographizing" that simply isn't taught anywhere that I
know of! For example, I know all the little details about
the various "transitional" matrix numbers used between the
formation of the American Record Corporation (mid-1929)
and the final settling on one sequence (the old Plaza numbering).
This is the kind of detailed knowledge that is necessary, or at least recommended, for anyone who intends to catalog
78's or reissues based on them...but, to my knowledge, one
can only acquire this through years of collecting experience!
(However, I'd be glad to teach "Discography 101" if anybody
would pay me to do so...)


Oh, and "second-and-a-half-ly"...I actually authored one of
the standard reference works for 78 record collectors: "The
(Almost) Complete 78rpm Record Dating Guide." However, this
fact, and a dollar or so, will entitle me to a large Diet
Coke most places...

Steven C. Barr






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