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Re: [ARSCLIST] audio reel archival containers



In answer to your question "Does anyone manufacture "breathable" cans
specifically for audio recordings?" I can say, "yes." In fact, that is
what led me to begin this thread in the first place. I was seeking
information on whether anyone had experience with the Tuscan brand of
"vented" audio reel containers:

http://www.tuscancorp.com/products/audio.html

I can now report that I received a sample today and was less than
impressed. While the construction of the case is pretty good (sturdy
polypropylene), the design leaves something to be desired.

The design features a small indentation on the top in each corner and
small "feet" on the bottom in the corners. These interlock to keep
stacks of the cases from sliding around. This is fine, I suppose if you
are keeping your reels stored flat, but not if you are keeping them
stored vertically (which is recommended, no?) If you try to store them
vertically, the top and bottom of the case tend to slip apart. They are
not quite snug enough to stay closed on their own.

The "vent" is actually two 1/8" holes (one on the spine top, one on the
spine bottom (or left or right sides, I suppose)). One could achieve the
same effect (or better) with a hand drill.

Since they are a couple of cents more expensive to purchase than the
Quantegy TapeCare cases, which seem sturdier and more suited to vertical
storage, I can't really recommend these Tuscan cases.

Too bad. I really wanted to like these.

Matt Bailey

Watsky, Lance wrote:

Peter:

Thank you for the reply and clearing up the info regarding cardboard
boxes for the storage of audio. In the realm of motion picture storage,
there are several vendors of film cannisters that are created to allow
the acetic vapors to escape (ie. vented or slitted). Does anyone
manufacture "breathable" cans specifically for audio recordings? Can you
think of any reasons for not using the one's that are designed for
motion pictures?

Lance Watsky
Preservation & Media Specialist
The Georgia Archives
5800 Jonesboro Road
Morrow, GA 30260
678-364-3764 (phone)
678-364-3860 (fax)
lwatsky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.GeorgiaArchives.org


-----Original Message----- *From:* Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List [mailto:ARSCLIST@xxxxxxx]*On Behalf Of *Peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx *Sent:* Monday, August 16, 2004 2:42 PM *To:* ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxx *Subject:* Re: [ARSCLIST] audio reel archival containers

Lance:

    I apologies for being unclear in my response.  My response was
    specific to vinegar syndrome and was intended to point out that
    cardboard boxes could act to slow down vinegar syndrome simply
    because they would allow the buildup of acetic acid to dissipate.  I
    did not mean to imply that I think using cardboard boxes to store
    tape in is a good idea.  As a disaster recovery specialist, I
    heartily disapprove of storing tape in cardboard boxes but for
    reasons other than vinegar syndrome.

    In addition to your point that many boxes have an unacceptable PH,
    cardboard boxes also supply virtually no protection to the tape from
    crushing or falling damage, provide no protection against water
    incursion, retain moisture that can damage tape, are flammable, are
    subject to mold growth that can infect the tape and can produce
    contaminating dust as they age.


Peter Brothers President SPECS BROS., LLC (201) 440-6589 www.specsbros.com

Restoration and Disaster Recovery Service Since 1983



     -----Original Message-----
    *From:* Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
    [mailto:ARSCLIST@xxxxxxx]*On Behalf Of *Watsky, Lance
    *Sent:* Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:10 AM
    *To:* ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxx
    *Subject:* Re: [ARSCLIST] audio reel archival containers

Peter:

        It was clear from your posting, that good airflow in a container
        will help to slow down the rate of acetic acid build-up, thus
        helping to slow down the rate of deterioration. My concern with
        your posting, is when you mentioned that "cardboard boxes would
        work well". It needs to be added that the "old" cardboard boxes
        are usually not inert to begin with, and have a very high Ph,
        they will decompose over time and eventually give off acid on
        their own. Certainely, we have all seen old acetate tapes that
        have turned brown, sometimes even leaving an imprint of the
        plastic reel. Since this is true, then the acid that is emitted
        from the breakdown of the cardboard boxes will actually help to
        speed up the deterioration, *unless new inert boxes are utilized*.

        Thanks,
        Lance Watsky
        Preservation & Media Specialist
        The Georgia Archives
        5800 Jonesboro Road
        Morrow, GA 30260
        678-364-3764 (phone)
        678-364-3860 (fax)
        lwatsky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        www.GeorgiaArchives.org

            -----Original Message-----
            *From:* Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
            [mailto:ARSCLIST@xxxxxxx]*On Behalf Of *Peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
            *Sent:* Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:25 PM
            *To:* ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxx
            *Subject:* Re: [ARSCLIST] audio reel archival containers

             From the testing I've reviewed, it's pretty clear that
            acetic acid will catalyze the breakdown of acetate.  As
            such, any method (that does not otherwise damage the
            acetate) of removing traces of the acid from  proximity to
            the tape should help slow down the reaction.   Testing has
            shown that acetate tapes will decay slower if they are
            exposed to an air-flow that removes the residual acid than
            will tapes that are in sealed containers that trap the acid
            inside.  Cardboard boxes would work well for the simple
            reason that they are not air-tight and allow the acid to escape.

            It's also important to have a positive air pressure and air
            flow in the storage area so that the acid is removed from
            the area.  Removing the acid from the proximity of one tape
            and then trapping it in a room can catalyze breakdown in
            other tapes stored in the same space.

            The Tuscan cans should work ok as long as there is enough
            air movement in the room to allow some air to circulate
            through the air vents and channels in the cases.

Peter Brothers

                -----Original Message-----
                *From:* Association for Recorded Sound Discussion List
                [mailto:ARSCLIST@xxxxxxx]*On Behalf Of *Mwcpc6@xxxxxxx
                *Sent:* Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:02 AM
                *To:* ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxx
                *Subject:* Re: [ARSCLIST] audio reel archival containers

                In a message dated 8/9/2004 5:11:12 PM Eastern Standard
                Time, ArcLists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

                    I'm suspicious
                    that the traditional cardboard box is functioning
                    something like a
                    molecular sieve and absorbing some of the acetic
                    acid outgassing/effluent
                    from the tapes and retarding any vinegar syndrome.

***************

                Keeping tape in unsealed cardboard boxes does seem to
                help preserve it.

                "ProVent Audio's vented design allows active airflow
                through the container to prolong the life of audio tape
                or 8mm film."

                Everything I've seen indicates that you want to get the
                acetic acid out of the room completely, not trap it near
                the acetate.  Controlling the room's humidity should
                prevent excessive drying.

                The thickness of film base may be a factor in preventing
                the acetic acid from leaving the material, explaining
                the faster deterioration, however the compulsion to seal
                film in metal cans in sealed vaults certainly has a
                greater effect. I've yet to see vinegar syndrome in any
                of my 40+ year old tape or film, however the material I
                just received from a friend who was meticulous about
                "protecting" his material definitely does show the
                effect (now stored in a separate room for airing).

Mike Csontos

-- Matt Bailey Audiovisual Archivist

Richard B. Russell Library for Political Research and Studies
University of Georgia Libraries
Athens, GA 30602-1641
(706)542-5788
http://www.libs.uga.edu/russell/


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