Re: arsclist record archive (data, sound or both?)

[<stevenc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Reply to  part I:
Average 78 duration--3 minutes, or 180 seconds.
Now, (I think I'm figuring right) a mono .wav file (or cd data, not
allowing for redundancy) would be just short of 8MB (though
mono sdound on musical CD's may have to be stereo with the
signal duplicated on each channel). In any case, when I posted
this to 78-L a couple of years ago, I was told this could be
compressed by MP3 without significant audible effect to
about 1MB. This I can't verify, though
...stevenc
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Subject: Re: arsclist record archive (data, sound or both?)


> Steve, where does the 1 MB per sound file come from? I presume you mean
> nine minutes of music. That's 9/80 of a 640 MB CD, or 71.11 MB. So what
> sort of compression are you using? Using 8:1 MP3 compression, this is 8.89
> MB, but since it's mono, it's 4.44 MB. So what's your reasoning?
>
> While you're at it, where did the two million 78s come from? I think you
> can figure out an approximate total of Victors from Mike Sherman's _The
> Collector's Guide to Victor Records_ and perhaps extrapolate to the number
> of total 78s from all record labels.
>
> By the way, I added (rounding to the nearest million) the total number of
> Victor records sold from page 169 of the book:
>
> 1900-10  42 m.
> 1911-23 334 m.
> 1924-41 388 m.
>
> Total 1900-42 764 m.
>
> I wonder how many record titles *and* record sales were classical and what
> it was for other labels.
>
> Frank
>
> On 2002-12-11, stevenc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx opined [message unchanged below]:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Premise Checker" <checker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 6:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: arsclist record archive (data, sound or both?)
> >
> >
> > > How do you figure 4 TB?
> > Figure 2,000,000 78's (my estimate of the number produced). Figure two
> > sides per 78 (true in most cases). Figure about 1MB per mono sound file
> > (I may have the only stereo 78, a test, ever pressed?). Multiply the
above.
> > The fact that a terabyte is slightly larger than 1,000,000,000,000
bytes,
> > and the allowance for SF discs, will allow room if I've underestimated.
> > Now, I've seen 160GB hard drives for sale for around Cdn$300...chain
> > about 25 of those in a RAID setup, and there's your archive!
> > As far as copyright problems, two considerations...
> > 1) If this were done by a library (or presumably a school), there would
be
> > no for-profit use involved, although the ability for clients to obtain
> > copies
> > might have to be restricted...just like library books.
> > 2) Here in Canada, the last 78 will be p.d. as far as the recording is
> > concerned in just over eight years (end of 2010).
> > ...stevenc
> > > Since a GB is now around one dollar, we're talking
> > > about $4K, not quite pocket change but neither a fortune. Wait ten
years
> > > and it will be a tenth as much. Keyboarding and programming are the
big
> > > expenses.
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > On 2002-12-11, stevenc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx opined [message unchanged
below]:
> > >
> > > > As I understand it, most of the "archives" mentioned in this thread
are
> > > > essentially on-line catalogs of library holdings (I could be
> > wrong)...and
> > > > as such they will only contain non-commercial recordings and
alternate
> > > > takes, especially unissued ones, if these are among the library
> > holdings.
> > > >
> > > > My long-term solution, of course, is the creation of a sort of
ultimate
> > > > data archive...a database covering every known sound recording (or
> > > > even every known 78rpm [+/-] sound recording) with as much
> > > > information as is known on each. I think this is what the creators
of
> > > > AVRL had in mind.
> > > >
> > > > However, a simpler and easier temporary project might be an
> > > > "archive of archives"...that is, a listing of all digital,
particularly
> > > > internet-accessible, archives concerning either 78rpm or all
> > > > sound recordings held or compiled by different individuals or
> > > > institutions, along with URL's and information on the accessiblity
> > > > (private or public? cost? hardware/software requirements? etc.)
> > > > of these archives. This could then be rewritten in HTML and
> > > > posted to, or linked to, discographic sites. This way we (and,
> > > > for some on the list, our clients) would know where to find any
> > > > information we might seek (assuming it is web-accessible).
> > > >
> > > > There are still problems, of course...two of these are the various
> > > > formats used to create the archival files and the accuracy of the
> > > > data therein. I am hoping to see the first taken up by ARSC (in
> > > > fact, have suggested this as a program subject to Sam B. for the
> > > > next ARSC), since it is an area where standardization would help;
> > > > the second simply requires proofreading and correction (if
> > > > possible).
> > > >
> > > > In any case, we now have the technology to create a practical
> > > > archive of information and make it available. It might, in fact, be
> > > > feasible to archive digital versions of the actual sound of the
> > > > recordings (I figure around 4TB of storage would be needed).
> > > > Who is going to do it, and how, remains to be seen...
> > > > Steven C. Barr
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "joe@xxxxxxxxxxx" <sergei01@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 1:18 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: arsclist record archive
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Does it also catalog non-commercial recordings such as air checks,
> > > > > transcriptions, alternate takes?
> > > > see above...
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