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Re: cmc - Orvus WA paste



Nicole inquires about cmc of Orvus WA paste. I cannot answer this directly, but I think the reason, why you find different cmc values in the literature (and different "recipies" on how much detergent should be added to the wash bath) is the following: Instead of rising the price, the producing industrie is mixing more and more water into the "concentrated" detergent. Therefore we - in Switzerland - measure the cmc for every batch of detergent we buy. This is very cumbersome, but when you split a larger batch among colleagues, only one of them has to run the measurement... We have observed for Tinoventin JU (Alkylphenolethoxylate,  a non-ionic detergent produced by Ciba) that cmc has risen from 0.5 g/l to 2.2 g/l during the last 10 years!
My experience has shown, that a lot of colleagues are not familiar with the method of how to measure the cmc. It is based on the fact that for a drop in its equilibrium on the tip of your burette, the surface tension multiplied with the circumference of the droplet is equal to the mass of the droplet multiplied with its weight. Translated into practical terms this means: you need a burette and pure water (of the kind you are going to use. Caution: the cmc is different for each type of water (softness)!) and different dilutions of your detergent in this water. You start with water. Make the fluid flow *very* slowly in your burette, so it forms big drops in equilibrium before the drop falls. Count 50 drops and weigh them. Then calculate:
Surface Tension = 72.8 x (M'/M). M stands for weight of H20; M' for weight of H20+detergent;  72.8 dynes/cm3 = surface tension of pure water.
Repete this for all the dilutions and plot the surface tensions in a graph with surface tension on its vertical and with the concentration of your detergent solution on its horizontal axis. You will end with a curve falling from the top left and smoothing out to the right. The cmc is the point at which the curve becomes flat (because adding more detergent won't lower the surface tension any further).
 
Now to the second part of the question: should the detergent be chosen at or above cmc. I think, that depends on the soil you want to remove and on the detergent-combination you intend to use. E.g. if you are going to add an emulgator, you will need less detergent, because the emulgator will do some of the "carying" work. But if you are trying to remove oily soil, or if you can't use CMC, you need enough detergent so the soil can be wrapped.
So: as in many domains of textile conservation: no recipies... It might be worth consulting Agnes Timar's excellent literature rewiev : "Wet cleaning historical textiles: surfactants and ogher wash bath additives" in: Reviews in Conservation Number 1 2000 (IIC), p.46-64.
 
I hope this helps and apologize for my English. It's not easy to write things like this in a foreign language, and maybe Dinah Eastop, Mary Ballard or someone else knows where well-written procedures can be found in English?
 
Good luck!
 
Karin von Lerber
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 1:57 PM
Subject: Orvus WA paste

As a student in textile conservation I have recently been experimenting with various detergents, one of which is Orvus WA paste. This detergent is not very widely used in England (Symperonic N has generally been the detergent of choice), and as I understand it Orvus is far more popular in North America.  There has been, however, some discrepency in the literature concerning Orvus's critical micelle concentration and I am curious how other conservators prepare a washing solution with Orvus. Specifically, I was wondering what cmc value you understand Orvus to have and what concentration of the detergent do you use when wet cleaning (i.e. at how many times it's cmc do you find effective)? 
 
Thank you!
Nicole Rode
MA Texile Conservation student at the Textile Conservation Centre, Winchester.


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