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Re: [ARSCLIST] Recording Speed

I have one of those 'dog whistles'.  8>)
I guess I was referring to a reference tone, not a pilot tone. Tuning A.  
What was that frequency back in the 'teens?
Don Chichester
In a message dated 6/23/2009 4:16:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mbiel@xxxxxxxxx writes:

From:  Don Chichester <Dnjchi@xxxxxxx>
> Re: pilot tone. Is this what is  recorded on some Euopean acoustics
> back in the early 'teens? If so,  what is their pitch?  Don Chichester

A pilot tone is recorded  continuously with the entire recording from
beginning to end.  It is  sent into a resolver which steadys it which
will restore the recording to  original pitch and undo any variations in
speed that might have happened  during recording.  It will be either
filtered out of the sound  recording, or is recorded 2-track out-of-phase
and will disappear when  played with a full-track mono head.  This allows
the tape to be synced  with the film which is assumed to run at a
constant 24 frames per  second.  What you might be referring to is a
reference tone like what  I mentioned with the Sarasate records where a
tuning A was played in a  separate band at the end of the side.  I don't
know of any others --  maybe our European collectors do.  Unless you are
thinking about the  high pitched chattering that sometimes is recorded on
wax master discs that  get too warm.  Since these are heard especially on
early Victor  Orthophonics, they are often called "His Master's

Mike  Biel  mbiel@xxxxxxxxx  

In a message dated 6/23/2009  2:58:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
mbiel@xxxxxxxxx writes:

From:  Doug Pomeroy <pomeroyaudio@xxxxxxx>
> Thanks Mike.
> I was  most confused by George's reference to "the counter", which
> appeared  with no explanation that I could find.

It was hidden away a few  sentences earlier, at the end of the second
sentence of the part I'm  reprinting below. 

> > The frequency of the calibration  track? It was calculated to be
> > 10 times the rpm of the turntable,  in other words, at 78 rpm it
> > gave out 780 Hz, suitable for a  frequency counter. In use of the
> > tape as a secondary master, the  content could be de-chipmunked
> > by changing the speed of the tape  recorder, and the tape rewound
> > to the calibration track, which  was measured by the counter and
> > would give the rpm of the  original record at the de-chipmunked speed.

> It is much simpler  than I thought. Doug

I believe as turntables with internal speed  counters became more common,
George backed away from mass producing the  little calibration discs, but
now more than ever with digitization of  recordings being made without
documentation of rotational speed, this would  be a quick and easy way to
supply a notation of rotational speed in just  one extra step. If all
records had been made with a reference tone like the  Seresate records,
things would be so much easier! 

While we are on  the subject of using known frequency tones to determine
speed, the ARSC  presentation of the Early Sounds project explained that
Leon Scott's  Phonautograph continuously recorded a tuning fork tone
alongside of the  sound, which now enables the constant speed playback of
these hand-driven  pre-tinfoil recordings. This is now called the "Pilot
Tone" system, and is  still used to synchronize sproketless-analogue tape
sound with motion  picture film. I don't think this has ever been
discussed, but not only did  Leon Scott apparently invent sound
recording, he also apparently invented  the Pilot Tone speed resolution

Mike Biel mbiel@xxxxxxxxx  

> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:23:26 -0700
> From: Michael  Biel <mbiel@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: (Fwd) [ARSCLIST] Fwd:  Recording Speed
> I understand what George is saying partially  because I've seen him 
> do it and I am lucky enough to have one of his  calibration discs.
> In case Doug and others still do not understand it,  Doug's snip
> cut out the important info and left in material that has  no
> meaning without the snipped part.
> In 1982  George commissioned a 7-inch pressing made of a 450 Hz. 
> tone cut at  45.0 RPM. That disc can be played at any RPM and a frequency 
> counter  will show a reading that is 10 times that RPM. (Play it at 73.7 
> and it shows 737.0 Hz. 78.26 shows 782.6 Hz. Etc.) If you have a  
> frequency counter handy, you can find what rotational speed you are  
using. BUT,
> if you include a few seconds of that calibration disc  played on the 
> same turntable at the time of your transfer of the  record you are 
> working on, then later on that frequency can be read  with a counter and 
at any 
> time you can establish the rotational  speed you used. It's like an 
> strobe disc that has the  unique ability to be recorded, and it is as
> accurate as your frequency  counter is. Sure, you could use a normal
> test disc of, say, a 1000 Hz.  tone, but George's disc is more directly
> readable without using math  to have to determine percentage of 1000 
> Hz. whatever tone you  used.
> Mike Biel mbiel@xxxxxxxxx  

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