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HI!
You wrote:
I use several "black box blinking lights" hardware audio processors.
What kind of Black Boxes are you thinking about??
Regards
Jan
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Emne: Re: [ARSCLIST] DC Art Tools for restoring old 78's/DeNoise/DeClick
I have used every thing from DC3 to the present DC7 restoration software
over at least 5 year period.
I have produced restored audio for network television, independent record
company reissues.
This being said, i have found some basic software tools for a lot less
money. here are the programs i go with most of the time.
For basic work page i use Sound Forge Audio studio 9.0, I like the full
screen work space for ease of editing and basic audio manipulation.
For click and noise removal a pair of shareware programs called "Click
repair" and "DeNoise" offer an inexpensive alternative to DC7 and i think
fewer artifacts. Download at
http://wwwmaths.anu.edu.au/~briand/sound/software_download/clickrepair_info.
html
The "Declick" offers adjustable settings for crackle and scratch ticks.
DEnoise, lets you take a print of noise and a visual graph of the
application which you can set the floor and amount of reduction. Works so
smooth.
In addition to the software I use several "black box blinking lights"
hardware audio processors.
Hope this is helpful... ill be glad to post mp3 of samples.
dnward
calif USA
--- On Thu, 6/18/09, Karl Fitzke <kef46@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Karl Fitzke <kef46@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] DC Art Tools for restoring old 78's
> To: ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 10:53 AM
> Jan,
>
> I think you are referring to DCART/DC7. I've used DC6
> for five years and consider it a great value for general
> purpose audio manipulation and more specifically, noise
> reduction. I do have some stability issues on my
> system though, which I haven't gotten to the bottom of, but
> really should. That's the short answer. More
> below.
>
> Regarding stability, I try not to work very quickly, i.e.
> push a lot of "buttons" and/or navigate around and enter
> data into control fields very fast for example; and I keep
> my monitor levels down when I am adjusting the parametric
> equalizer function in particular. Otherwise I
> occasionally get a burst in noise or large gain change that
> could damage my hearing or equipment. Like I
> said, I should figure that out, and fix the situation, but I
> do not use the program every day, or even every week, to be
> clear about how often I use it.
>
> I primarily use the Continuous Noise reduction with good
> success. I strongly believe that it is also what
> Digidesign offers as their DNR Pro Tools plug-in, based on
> how the similar user interface. Note that DC6 offers
> more control than the DNR version though. I haven't
> used a lot of other programs of similar price for any
> extended period of time, and wish I could compare them for
> you. In the past few weeks two people have recommended
> I check out Izotope RX, which I will do (perhaps you know of
> that or will also check it out it).
>
> The harmonic noise reduction in DC6 is also something I use
> quite a bit, to get rid of hums and other such noise.
> I love the degree of control the DC6 software allows
> there. It is a really valuable tool to me and perhaps
> omething that may distinquish DC6 from other tools (sure
> would like to hear from others about that, though).
>
> I've always done well with the DC6 decrackle/depop features
> unless there are a lot of changes in dynamics throughout a
> file; which may not be a big issue with 78's (but can be
> with more recent recordings of classical music). It
> once took me 10 hours to work on a 45 minute piece of music
> for organ and choir, that Cedar Tools for the PC could do in
> less than 3 minutes (I know because I borrowed Cedar Tools
> as a demo and tried it, thinking I might buy it). I
> had to manually choose 5 to 30 second long regions of audio
> of this or that level range and then apply settings
> optimized for those conditions each time (which I at least
> had stored presets of). Cedar Tools is much more
> adaptive/automatic. The package I looked at two years
> ago or so also cost $4000 instead of $200. If DC6 were
> more adaptive, I could better make use of the batch
> features, which at least allow you to process a number of
> files with the same presets very conveniently.
>
> With all of this kind of software/hardware, the more
> control you have (unless things are very adaptive like
> Cedar) the better (and even with Cedar I still wished I had
> the option of playing around with some settings they
> obviously don't give you control over - not a lot of knobs
> etc. in that program package). The process often
> requires trying to find the right balance between too much
> and too little noise reduction, i.e. reducing one form of
> noise/distortion without introducing too much of some other
> resultant form of added noise/distortion. Hope I'm not
> insulting your intelligence in mentioning that. I just
> don't know how much of this work you've done
> before. Cedar tools really blew me away, by
> the way, in how much it did without adverse affects on the
> audio, all automatically. It is just the engineer
> tweakhead part of my personality that wants to play with
> settings just for more understanding of things I guess (not
> really believing I'd do much better myself than their
> automatic algorithms).
>
> I found the folks at Tracertek (who sell DC7) pleasant to
> deal with, by the way. You might ask them
> about software stability for example and make sure they give
> you a money back guarantee if you experience problems.
> I bet they'd be happy to do that based on their attitude
> when I contacted them to buy the software.
>
> And by the way, the program has some nifty nonlinear time
> stretching and expansion features that I haven't seen
> elsewhere. I've used that on an art project that was
> part of an art installation in Copenhagen in 2006.
> Ironically I used DC6 to severely distort sound in that
> case!
>
> That's the long answer. Hope it is helpful.
>
> Karl
>
>
> Jan Myren wrote:
> > HI everybody!
> >
> > I wonder if any of you have any experience with CD Art
> software for
> > restoring old 78 rpm records.
> > See link:
> > http://www.diamondcut.com/
> >
> > What do you think about this software program?
> >
> > Hope to hear comments form any of you, especially if
> you have any real
> > experience!
> >
> > Regards
> > Jan
> > NORWAY
> >
>
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