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Re: [ARSCLIST] Libraries disposing of records



Hi Steven:

Actually, what's happened historically has been that when a better sound medium comes along, the older musical styles get redone or revived in the new medium, to a certain extent. Louis Armstrong and Duke Ellington -- acoustic 78's, electric 78's, mono LP, stereo LP and the master tapes from the LPs reissued on CD with no LP limitations on fidelity. Armstrong and Ellington recorded their essential repertoire several times over, each in a higher fidelity medium. So what about Bix (used as an example because he died long before better fidelity came along)? Therein is your argument. But Bix has been preserved and in fact enhanced in later reissues as technology got better. And when someone today goes and buys a Bix CD, unless he has the worst listening system around, he's guaranteed a better listening experience that getting that flawed-from-the-factory scratchy and noisy shellac, putting it on his acoustic Victrola and hearing a tiny piece of the audible spectrum blasting out of his horn. But maybe the awful sound out of the tinny horn is part of the "experience"? BTW, I'm using jazz examples just because that's what I know. I could cite Muddy Waters (Lomax field recordings, same material recorded later in mono hifi and then later again in stereo) or a bunch of Classical conductors and orchestras who were active in the 78 era and then had a Golden Age of Recording starting with the transition to LP and then getting all the way up into the 70's in some cases, all the way to digital for a few. Point is, again, that commercially viable stuff gets preserved, rehashed, redone and then reissued and enhanced. If there's a buck to be made, it gets done.

-- Tom Fine

----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven C. Barr(x)" <stevenc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ARSCLIST@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [ARSCLIST] Libraries disposing of records



----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Fine" <tflists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
At the risk of offending some on list, I have to offer a reality check, in
line with Bob's posting.
Guys, 78's are a real FRINGE/NICHE. Anything with any remote chance of "mass
market" is out on CD or
iTunes. Most people -- myself included -- just don't like bad quality sound.
Yes, there are some 78
reissues where they went back to metal parts and used tasteful, effective and
sound-improving
digital restoration, and it's great that modern life offers that wonderful
music in a
better-than-original mass-market format. But those shellac disks, they're just
a novelty nowadays,
in most but not all cases. Now, that said, of course I'll grab a pile from the
curbside if the music
is anything I'm remotely interested in because I like to play the Victrola for
my nieces and nephews
to show them "ye olde sound equipment". But I limit my 78 "collection" to one
milk crate and I'd
heave it first if I got in a space crunch. Edison cylinders -- I'm really glad
UCSB has that archive
online but I can't see how anyone would listen to that stuff for enjoyment. It
sounds worse than a
phone call over the Internet from Europe! But, back to my main point, if
there's a profitable market
for something, it finds its value and there apparently is no market for most
78's.

Probably true...and certainly defensible as a personal opinion...BUT...

The comment, distilled to its actual inherent statement, becomes:

"Each improvement in sound (or, in theory, ANY form if) recording
automatically makes all previous recordings made with older forms
of technology no longer worth preserving or even accessing!"

Aside from the one essential question of "Is any standard-variety
digital recording by definition superior to every analog recording"...?!
The point is that as each form of (sound) recording appeared, a
certain number of recordings were made that could not, under any
circumstances not involving time travel, ever again have been made.

Since the art of "improving" (in the sense of trying to recreate
what one assumes the original sounded like) is, so far, still in
a highly theoretical position...this suggests that our listener
can never satisfactorily access these historic recordings, and
is thus limited to recordings of the last two decades or so.

In my own case, I'm willing to tolerate the surface noise and
reduced fidelity inherent in shellac "78's"...even acoustic ones...
in return for hearing the recorded music of that era...!

Steven C. Barr



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